[Captain Howdy]

gaulin wrote:

As for other bookings 4 of the UWD roster members from what im told will be wrestling the wcwa show in a tag match

Great, so 4 "semi-trained" guys got booked by another company that is also notorious for using backyard and "semi-trained" guys. That doesn't add much credibility to your "promotion."

[gaulin]

Captain Howdy wrote:

gaulin wrote: As for other bookings 4 of the UWD roster members from what im told will be wrestling the wcwa show in a tag match Great, so 4 "semi-trained" guys got booked by another company that is also notorious for using backyard and "semi-trained" guys. That doesn't add much credibility to your "promotion."

I dont know who you are but I guess it really dont matter.Says your from ct so if we ever plan a show and end up down there id be happy to buy your ticket so you could formally introduce yourself to us. But you would probably just sit there with your head inbtween your legs so its cool.
Please tell, me you dont think landry,king,idol ,aaron,lukas and others are semi trained.WCWA has improved a lot since their begining .Maybe you could use the whole 10 bucks for a ticket and buy yourself something more useful instead like a tooth brush ,make yourself more decent and you might be able to score a woman so you wont have to waist your time on here so much.Well I hope to see some of you others at the show.It would be cool to meet you and hear what you have to say about it.

[0z]

You guys arent always open to criticism. Everytime someone tells you something to work on, you always come back with an excuse or right into defense. The part of accepting criticism is just taking it without having the last word.

[shortie1thegame]

Just because you have had a couple months of training and have learned the moves and bumps and learn a lil bit of psychology, doesn't mean shit. You guys have used 3 maybe 4 trained guys that are credible and you think your something. Any backyard fed can book 2 or 3 trained guys its not that big of a deal, its all about the money if your going to pay they'll be there. Don't think you guys are the next NEW, BTW, NECW or Chaotic just because you booked frankie arion, johnny idol and lukas sharp. Stop running shows, train more, learn how to sell, learn psychology then try and get booked. Don't open up shop and run your own shows putting yourselfs over.

[GrayGhost]

Well, if Aaron Morrison is in charge of the book, etc. (which I don't know if he is/is not), then its his decision to run or not, and on the surface that gives it more credibility. They need to be trained enough to not risk themselves and their opponents unnecessarily IMO. I think thats a good benchmark.

I'm curious tho how they are, and maybe I'll check a show out, and honestly report on it sometime.

[rightytighty]

I bought a pair of wrestling pants off of ebay, can I be in uwd?

[Paully54]

gaulin wrote:

Captain Howdy wrote: gaulin wrote: As for other bookings 4 of the UWD roster members from what im told will be wrestling the wcwa show in a tag match Great, so 4 "semi-trained" guys got booked by another company that is also notorious for using backyard and "semi-trained" guys. That doesn't add much credibility to your "promotion." I dont know who you are but I guess it really dont matter.Says your from ct so if we ever plan a show and end up down there id be happy to buy your ticket so you could formally introduce yourself to us. But you would probably just sit there with your head inbtween your legs so its cool. Please tell, me you dont think landry,king,idol ,aaron,lukas and others are semi trained.WCWA has improved a lot since their begining .Maybe you could use the whole 10 bucks for a ticket and buy yourself something more useful instead like a tooth brush ,make yourself more decent and you might be able to score a woman so you wont have to waist your time on here so much.Well I hope to see some of you others at the show.It would be cool to meet you and hear what you have to say about it.

gaulin, i believe he was refering to KC Jacobs, Viper, Mike Jenkins, etc. You know, the guys who only work for WCWA and no where else, because they are not fully trained.

[gaulin]

Ok I just need to clear a couple things up.As far as construtive critisisim goes we are open to take it.But comments that are said without facts are what set me off.Yes UWD has booked all them guys and in no cases are our guys who train with aaron ever over on any of them.They wrestle each other as part as an extra treat for the fans.We never compared ourselfs to chaotic ,NEW ,BTW or any of the other feds listed since uwd is our own thing.If I were to see someone at a show on here and they intorduced themselfs to me and told me what they liked or didnt then id be more then happy to show them the respect that they deserve and here them out with no hard feelings.I am a super nice guy but will stand up to anyone.
My problem with certain people is stating facts without experiencing a full show and seeing what its all about.Also telling us how trained we are right now without ever setting foot in one of our classes.Frankie ,landry and idol have been sort of guest trainers on occasion ,they have been there to help us out and know where were at.Ultimately aaron could tell you exactly were were at and would be totally honest.Frankie,billy King ,Idol,Aaron,Landry,amber,frost have all at least been to one of our shows as a wrestler or a fan and can tell us what they think.Those who never seen us train ora uwd show can only speculate.
It just sucks so much the effort that has gone into making this happen and the critisim we still get even though were doing things right and getting it done.

[jd]

There are a few wrestling companies out there that have been running for a long time, that do not do much advertising on this site mainly because the people here don’t care for their product. They do fine without us. Your continuous attempt to gain acceptance here is baffling. If you do indeed attract 200 people to each of your shows, then why do you care what seven people on the Internet think?

Ya know what I don’t like about your shows (without even seeing one)? You have no experience to lean on. Sure, you can bring in the Frankies, the Morrisons, ect., but they are not integrated into your product. (NLP suffers from this same malady.)

On the other hand, look at FRW, where kids like Tony Spencer and Link Thunder can watch Sonny Goodspeed and Maverick Wild; look at Chaotic where Sledge Lydel and Mike Nice can observe Handsome Johnny, Brian Fury and others; andlook at EPW where countless number of kids are learning from Bob Evans the correct way to conduct themselves. You guys will never get the respect from those who came before you while you re off doing your own thing.

And I guess there is nothing wrong with that, but I still ain’t paying 12 bucks.

[gaulin]

jd wrote:

? Ya know what I don’t like about your shows (without even seeing one)? You have no experience to lean on. Sure, you can bring in the Frankies, the Morrisons, ect., but they are not integrated into your product. (NLP suffers from this same malady.) .

This kinda stuff is the constructive critisism that is acceptable to me and I respect your opinions/ideas/suggestions.
I guess Uwd comes on here as an alternate form of advertising.It only makes sense we would want the die hard indy fans around here to see a show for themselfs and possibly bring in new fans.There is nothing wrong with getting the word out to as many people as possible.
What you said jd does make sense and its something we can work on.

[Paully54]

gaulin, you must honesty know that if the hardcore internet fans went to one of your shows, they would just shit all over it once they got back to their computer. it's a harsh reality to face, i know, but it is the truth. you are better off without them going and just doing your own thing quietly, or not at all.

[Michael_R_Giusti]

gaulin wrote:

Basically sometimes stuff comes out wrong.I can come on here and say I appreciate every fan who pays there hard earned money to see us do what we love to do and are passionate about.I am just a wrestler for this group.I dont run it ,make ticket prices storylines ,money or anything.Just do what im told.I do feel like I have to stand up for my thoughts and not take anything like a bitch.10-12 bucks for a ticket might be a lot of money compared to others but uwd is getting it."10 bucks pre sale gets tickets sold before the show date and 12 bucks at the door works-Its a marketing strategy that gets our workers and venue paid in advance and we dont have to play the worrying game to see if people show up" This money went to buying our new ring and a warehouse where we can go train anytime we want .As far as training where were exactly at is weve learned how to execute a large assortment of moves safely and now were learning how to put them together in different ways.Psycology has been thought and were still learning more on that.None of us have huge heads but apparently if people are coming back they enjoy the show or they would go elsewhere.The you tube videos are old.90% of the fed has gear now and they have a deadline to get it.Every show we put 110% of our hearts into and the 6 weeks between we learn more.People seem to like the atmosphere and we always have a hot crowed.Those are all facts.Like I said some of the guys and myself would be open to wrstle for other promotions if they were to give us a shot to open a show or something. also im hoping I dont come out harsh or arrogant because its not what im trying to pull off.accept my apologies if that is the case. I do think uwd shows are worth 10 bucks.Cheaper then a movie and we give the fans a good time and are passionate and give it everything we have.

That's the magic of the internet my friend.

To state the obvious, the internet is virtually the opposite of talking in person. So of course it's easy to come off wrong. I apologize too if you interpreted me in the same way. Let's be friends now.

Now, because it's the internet, the only information we have to go on is what you provide us. If it's some old youtube videos, that's what we're gunna judge you on. lol so don't be surprised if you've caught any flak. I would be interested in watching some new stuff. You should tell whoever edits the videos to throw a new one up. I'll take a leap of faith that you've made positive strides.

But uh... it's impossible to operate beyond 100%. lol sorry I hate that "110%" saying. Everyone should just admit their previous 100% was more like 74%. But I digress.

I don't think it's a waste of time to be on this website. It is pretty important to know what the hardcore internet fans and hodge podge of workers think, especially if you're a young green guy.

You are defending yourself and your group saying, "telling us how trained we are right now without ever setting foot in one of our classes" and so on. Dude, you're not listening-- I for one was there! Any wrestler on this board can get an adequate an idea of what level your work is at within seconds. Likewise the hardcore internet fans can tell, primarily because they watch tons and tons of wrestling. Personally I can't stand watching wrestling. It's terrible.

But I just keep thinking of that video that was posted. It was some chopped up clips of 2 guys wrestling and one of them had a black and yellow singlet. And the kid couldn't hit the ropes right. That single act alone makes me conclude that's not a $12 product.

I've probably said enough over the course of this thread. So in conclusion, I'm not saying cease & desist UWD shows. Just stop charging so much!

[Paully54]

This seems to be recent... great selling.. nice gear as well.

"I like to let go of armbars"

[ShawnO]

After reading all this drivel, it seems that aemfreak and gaulin still don't get it. I think Mr. Guisti, Mr. Paully, and Mr. Howdy have given these UWD kids (alleged "professionals") some good advice...however it seems they refuse to take that said advice and will continue to do whatever they want. I highly doubt you will see any fans from this forum attending a UWD show, unless they are really hard up for something to do that particular evening. However, I can bet that friends and family of these UWD kids will come on here with 20 different screen names, saying how great the show was, how many people were there (i.e. an alleged "sold out" crowd) and other such rubbish.

[Michael_R_Giusti]

Paully54 wrote:

nice gear as well.

2 words:

HOT TOPIC!

[GrayGhost]

Well. we'll see. Might be worth checking out , just to see, as I stated earlier. Get a "birds eye view" so to speak.

[enforcer]

I think Joey Rockstar should be the first UWD Champion. Based on his posts on here, I think he has incredible charisma and let's not forget he's a true (young) ladies' man.

[gaulin]

No it should be you enforcer since i hear your some twenty something dork loser bitch.Fans would love to see you get your ass kicked time and time again .Workers know you ,weve asked.No big deal Im going to start hitting up more shows as a fan and since you have always had something against me id love to meet you in person just to hear what you have to say
I know my place and there are guys better then me ,I think Uwd picked the right guy for the job of holding the title.Im not a face so go ahead and talk all the shit you want"ive heard worse"you silly mark you.Every fan ive ever met ive let them know I apreciate their support as far as checking us out.

[Captain Howdy]

gaulin wrote:

No it should be you enforcer since i hear your some twenty something dork loser bitch.Fans would love to see you get your ass kicked time and time again .Workers know you ,weve asked.No big deal Im going to start hitting up more shows as a fan and since you have always had something against me id love to meet you in person just to hear what you have to say I know my place and there are guys better then me ,I think Uwd picked the right guy for the job of holding the title.Im not a face so go ahead and talk all the shit you want"ive heard worse"you silly mark you.Every fan ive ever met ive let them know I apreciate their support as far as checking us out.

Such professionalism. You're going to go far in this business.

[gaulin]

whoa captian howdy and enforcer .You two go beyond any constructive critisim and decide to get personal and attack me.Sorry but that goes beyond wrestling in my eyes.Thats when I forget about you guys being WRESTLING FANS and think of you being human beings.If you feel the need to attack me personally id just like you to do it to my face if we ever cross paths at a show.My bet is you guys would probably be at a loss for words.I dont see how my gf remarks or any ive ever seen you two make have anything to do with wrestling and like so many people on here that talk about RESPECT .you two have shown me none.Im going to go as far I can and whatever was meant for me will happen.If its just being in UWD then thats what was meant for me.If anyone else wants to give me a shot fine.Either way I have way to many friends then to worry about 2 ASSHOLES like yourselfs.

[enforcer]

gaulin wrote:

Workers know you ,weve asked.

Wait, what?

gaulin wrote:

since you have always had something against me id love to meet you in person just to hear what you have to say

Go outside or something, it's a beautiful day today. I spent my day out on the Lake Ontario shoreline near Oswego enjoying time with family and eating good food at a fine little place called Rudy's. You should try doing something like that sometime.

gaulin wrote:

whoa captian howdy and enforcer .You two go beyond any constructive critisim and decide to get personal and attack me.

lololololololollololololololololololololololol

Seriously, how did I attack you again? You really must be an uptight vagina if you can't take a joke.

[enforcer]

Quote:

I dont see how my gf remarks or any ive ever seen you two make have anything to do with wrestling and like so many people on here that talk about RESPECT .

Wait, it just hit me:

I thought Joey Rockstar was done posting on here.

[gaulin]

I came on here for months as a fan using my real name.Didnt want to post under rockstar and deal with people like you every time they see a rockstar post.I did go out today and spent 4hours at training and last but not least yeah its not like workers dont know you.We ask about certain people on here and what they say is what they say.How can I take stuff from you as a joke when everything you said to me has been negative and offensive enforcer.I have nothing to do with running UWD anymore and just wrestle for them but you and a couple others cant let go of some of the mistakes ive/weve made before and learned from and the sad thing is 95% of the workers you tried to impress by bashing me in the past im on good terms with now.So yes im on here posting as a fan of other promotions and supporter of the UWD wich I dont make a dime from.Im not to hard to get along with and you can ask anyone who knows me.

[enforcer]

Quote:

yeah its not like workers dont know you.We ask about certain people on here and what they say is what they say.

lololol

gaulin wrote:

How can I take stuff from you as a joke when everything you said to me has been negative and offensive enforcer.

[Punk Rulez]

I really don’t see what the big deal is here. Why not run shows if the draw is no less than 100 and has been over 200? Untrained or not, this is a better draw than most indy shows with trained workers. Too many shows run these days with 50 or less draw which is very sad. If this promotion is drawing why not run with it? If you are against seeing the untrained workers at a show simply don’t attend it.