Benjamin_Disraeli wrote:

Here's one I've always wondered: if you beat the shit out of another guy in the course of a match, can he press charges if proper paperwork isn't signed?

I've actually been curious about this myself. An interesting question indeed.

MAV wrote:

DanBarry wrote: But yes, I feel Maverick Wild is vastly overpaid. I feel that when it comes to this thread I'm underpaid by you. I mean...look at the initiative I took in answering all these questions you invited people to ask you and then left 'em hangin'...and not even with Mr. Cooper. I have a couple of questions for you now... 1) You didn't feel safe wearing wrestling boots and you wear the pads because you kick people? For me, the opposite is true. I had some gear that came with gold kick pads. I wore the pads twice; once with boots, the second time because I forgot my boots at home one night and they were in my bag. I hated the way they looked. As to the kicking...I kick people too (I am master of the ancient art of Mavjitsu, specializing in the style of the duck fart). Flesh is soft; you won't hurt your foot unless you manage to kick through it into bone. Let 'em fly, Barry! (You can probably tell I don't work light by that explanation). 2) Ever have your spandex set off a bout of rash red crack itching hemorrhoids, and if so...any suggestions on how to treat it? I have a friend in need. 3) What are your feelings on using a root cellar for a dressing room? 4) Who was a better Captain...Kirk, John Luke Picard, Captain Janeway or whoever Scott Bakula was supposed to be? 5) Why THE FUCK did Matt Stryker shave his stomach hair into the general shape of abdominal muscles? I noticed this on the root cellar show...one line of fuzz down the middle, one on either side of that line and I think even a few designed to look like a six pack. I had one of my guys do a rip off gimmick as "the Alternate Warrior" recently, and Stryker's odd Fleet Street shave job inspired me...I drew the Alternate Warrior's abs in with a sharpie. 6) To hell with Tara Charisma...how do MY boobs feel in your hands? Not in a gay way…I just want to know for professional purposes. Call me. MAV

I spent the past few days visiting my brother in the hospital Mr. Wild, hence the lack of answering. I do apologize. Next time I will be sure to duck fart on my brother's face instead.
So to the questions.

1) I like throwing the kicks, but its more based on my choice of footwear. Boots, to me, make me feel clunky. I learned how to throw kicks many years ago, and the whole "point your toe" thing becomes near impossible. I have thought about purchasing a softer leather, I just like the wrestling shoes and kick pads because i have become akin to them. Maybe its just a matter of personal preference.

2) Chaffing has happened. But that was the quality of the fabric. Try a softer blended fabric.

3)Sharing a bucket with you to sit on still ranks on my top 10 greatest achievements in wrestling. However the show after that our locker room was in the apartment above the building. Some old lady showed me her boobs. Awesome.

4) Scott Bakula is an awful human being. I'm more a fan of the Sea Captain from the Simpsons.

5) From a distance it looks like abs. He's not the only person I know who does that sadly..... Muscles Marinara likesa da past.

6) I would gently caress your... Oh wait, this is a public forum. I should delete that. I mean, Why am I typing my inner thoughts out on this computer, just delete the fucking sentence.... no don't hit submit!!! NOOOO

Tauron Nox wrote:

Benjamin_Disraeli wrote: Here's one I've always wondered: if you beat the shit out of another guy in the course of a match, can he press charges if proper paperwork isn't signed? I've actually been curious about this myself. An interesting question indeed.

Depends on the situation. I've seen people get the shit kicked out of them and no charges were pressed.
I imagine it would be hard to press charges.
Most wrestlers wouldn't. They would either suck it up or quit.

I just have to weigh in here and defend Scott Bakula and Enterprise. I never watched it when it was running, but now that SciFi syndicates it, it is easily my favorite Trek series. The Captain Archer character grew over the seasons and is a very crew-oriented and hands-on person. But oh yeah.... wrestling...

DanBarry wrote:

MAV wrote: DanBarry wrote: But yes, I feel Maverick Wild is vastly overpaid. I feel that when it comes to this thread I'm underpaid by you. I mean...look at the initiative I took in answering all these questions you invited people to ask you and then left 'em hangin'...and not even with Mr. Cooper. I have a couple of questions for you now... 1) You didn't feel safe wearing wrestling boots and you wear the pads because you kick people? For me, the opposite is true. I had some gear that came with gold kick pads. I wore the pads twice; once with boots, the second time because I forgot my boots at home one night and they were in my bag. I hated the way they looked. As to the kicking...I kick people too (I am master of the ancient art of Mavjitsu, specializing in the style of the duck fart). Flesh is soft; you won't hurt your foot unless you manage to kick through it into bone. Let 'em fly, Barry! (You can probably tell I don't work light by that explanation). 2) Ever have your spandex set off a bout of rash red crack itching hemorrhoids, and if so...any suggestions on how to treat it? I have a friend in need. 3) What are your feelings on using a root cellar for a dressing room? 4) Who was a better Captain...Kirk, John Luke Picard, Captain Janeway or whoever Scott Bakula was supposed to be? 5) Why THE FUCK did Matt Stryker shave his stomach hair into the general shape of abdominal muscles? I noticed this on the root cellar show...one line of fuzz down the middle, one on either side of that line and I think even a few designed to look like a six pack. I had one of my guys do a rip off gimmick as "the Alternate Warrior" recently, and Stryker's odd Fleet Street shave job inspired me...I drew the Alternate Warrior's abs in with a sharpie. 6) To hell with Tara Charisma...how do MY boobs feel in your hands? Not in a gay way…I just want to know for professional purposes. Call me. MAV I spent the past few days visiting my brother in the hospital Mr. Wild, hence the lack of answering. I do apologize. Next time I will be sure to duck fart on my brother's face instead. So to the questions. 1) I like throwing the kicks, but its more based on my choice of footwear. Boots, to me, make me feel clunky. I learned how to throw kicks many years ago, and the whole "point your toe" thing becomes near impossible. I have thought about purchasing a softer leather, I just like the wrestling shoes and kick pads because i have become akin to them. Maybe its just a matter of personal preference. 2) Chaffing has happened. But that was the quality of the fabric. Try a softer blended fabric. 3)Sharing a bucket with you to sit on still ranks on my top 10 greatest achievements in wrestling. However the show after that our locker room was in the apartment above the building. Some old lady showed me her boobs. Awesome. 4) Scott Bakula is an awful human being. I'm more a fan of the Sea Captain from the Simpsons. 5) From a distance it looks like abs. He's not the only person I know who does that sadly..... Muscles Marinara likesa da past. 6) I would gently caress your... Oh wait, this is a public forum. I should delete that. I mean, Why am I typing my inner thoughts out on this computer, just delete the fucking sentence.... no don't hit submit!!! NOOOO

All good answers. I think I like the boots myself because I share a kinship with them...I am slow and clunky too. And why don't old ladies show me their titties? I have very taught buttocks for a man approaching middle age...you think some milfy mammas out there would love to show me some stretch marks.

Michael_R_Giusti wrote:

I just have to weigh in here and defend Scott Bakula and Enterprise. I never watched it when it was running, but now that SciFi syndicates it, it is easily my favorite Trek series. The Captain Archer character grew over the seasons and is a very crew-oriented and hands-on person. But oh yeah.... wrestling...

I couldn't get into it...I kept waiting for him to make the leap home.

Mav

Benjamin_Disraeli wrote:

Here's one I've always wondered: if you beat the shit out of another guy in the course of a match, can he press charges if proper paperwork isn't signed?

After a bunch of silly responses, now you guys are going to get one of my more ranting, angry posts. The comparisons I make here may make some people a little uncomfortable, but they represent my honest opinion.

Paperwork or not...that shouldn't happen unless the "victim" tried to take all sorts of liberties with you and fell prey to return fire. In a case like that...all bets are off.

This kind of shit happened to me when I first started off. My first year doing this, I worked with a much larger opponent who's idea of a "rib" was to beat the shit out of workers smaller than himself. It is to my eternal regret I didn't know any better back then and break his fucking arm for him. Nowadays...I tend not to get fucked with. For you younger guys...read what I'm about to put down and take it to heart.

Wrestling is rough. I've had matches, depending on the situation, where I've hit people as hard as I would if I were in a real fight. In situations where you are working with someone you are supposed to "hate", especially if it's the culmination of some very violent "feud"...it's not time for fancy reversals into origami looking holds or back flips. As it was put best to me..."It's time to sharpen up the ginsus and get fucking serious". Despite my willingness to go to that level...I never do it with an unwilling opponent, and expect everything I dish out back. PERIOD.

There is a vast difference when two guys get together and form a pact to beat the shit out of each other in the interest of intensity and realism and some one sided ass kicking from some asshole who is looking to get himself over at your expense. Scenario #1 is like consensual rough sex. Scenario #2 is R-A-P-E.

For those who think I'm being my typically over-descriptive self...I'm not. Sex is supposed to be a consensual arrangement between two adults-just like a wrestling match. Sex turns into R-A-P-E when one person decides to do things with your body that you don't want done to it. Same thing in a wrestling match. When it happens in a wrestling match, it almost always leads to bruising, bleeding-just like R-A-P-E-and a complete loss of dignity for the victim.

That sounds pretty much like every description ever given to me for the after effects of R-A-P-E. The only thing that appears to be missing is the penetration. It's done for the same reason as well...personal satisfaction and a sick thrill at the cost of the poor son of a bitch taking it. As wrestlers...we all like to have the crowd's approval, just like in sex where we like to have an orgasm. The guys who have a clue realize that our "orgasm" is best achieved through a mutual spirit of cooperation. Some assholes don't see it that way, though. Some guys get a perverse thrill out of physically abusing the guy they're working with, taking none of it back and getting their orgasm or reaction through this. That person, my friends, is a R-A-P-E-ist.

I don't mean to say that all one sided matches are like this. Sometimes, in the interest of getting a (usually) very large opponent over, these types of matches have to take place. In those cases...the guy should take care of you. It may be rough, but it can be done without endangering you well being. I was once told a story about a buddy of mine working with John Stud in a territory and Stud had to get over pretty quick on TV . The ring in question they had to work in was terrible, so Stud went out of his way to ask if the person in question if he minded taking some body slams in it. The person in question agreed, and John Stud took care of him...he even gave him $50 out of his own pocket afterwards, and thanked him implicitly.

All to often, however...it happens the other way. Usually, the perpetrator is larger, and of poor self esteem and skill and seeks to validate himself by dominating some unsuspecting worker. These people lack the mindset and the professionalism required to be involved in wrestling, and to me are committing a crime. This crime doesn't need police or a jury though. In wrestling, there is a saying..."the boys police their own". If someone is doing this to you, DON'T allow them to come on you back. STOP THEM.

Don't be timid about it because they may be larger than you. You don't have to be a hooker or a shooter to defend yourself from it. Nearly always, bullies like this forget that nothing in a ring happens if you don't want it to happen. More to the point, if you don't want it to happen enough...you can find a way to stop it.

At some point in the over aggressive march, they will be wide open. Trust me. Balls, eyes, knee caps, hamstrings, eardrums-all fair game when someone is taking advantage of you. I've had to do it, a few times, and most of it occurred way before I had any ability to incapacitate someone with holds. I remember specifically I was working with someone I considered dangerous and I needed to stop him. He whipped me in for a back drop and I shot a leap frog on him. When he turned, I whipped my head into the side of his jaw and dropped him like a sack of cheap wrenches, effectively ending our little "let's experiment with Mav's well being" portion of our match.

Not the behavior you’d expect out of goofy ‘ol Mav? That’s why it worked…the dumb bastard didn’t expect it.

It does help to learn how to tie someone up however...that way you can get on top and tell them point blank, "If you don't cut it the fuck out I'm going to break your ankle", or even just to lean into the pricks guts and rob him of all his wind, rendering the R-A-P-E-ist effectively impotent. If you don't have that skill, do your damage and walk the fuck out. If a promoter blows his top at you after an explanation...he probably doesn't know what he's doing and you don't want to be around him anyway.

DON'T allow yourself to be a victim.

I agree with you Mav. Although your relation of sex to a wrestling match has left me confused and scared of the images in my head. I need a hug, but I don't know from whom....

I know receipts are a part of the business as much as "goons" are a part of hockey and "high and inside" are a part of baseball. But in wrestling, it's a little different. You know when you get in the ring with a Rick Fuller or Bob Holly, you're going come out with a beet-red chest. But if you're wrestling someone that's green and may not know better, do you take it and hold off the on the receipt, or do you give them in "in ring lesson" right then and there?

Along the same lines of your rant, what do you do to with someone that's no-selling everything (a la Brody/Luger)? If you working a guy, and for the sake of argument he's a BIG boy, and he suddenly stops working, what do you do (besides never work with that guy again)?

the_truth wrote:

I agree with you Mav. Although your relation of sex to a wrestling match has left me confused and scared of the images in my head. I need a hug, but I don't know from whom.... I know receipts are a part of the business as much as "goons" are a part of hockey and "high and inside" are a part of baseball. But in wrestling, it's a little different. You know when you get in the ring with a Rick Fuller or Bob Holly, you're going come out with a beet-red chest. But if you're wrestling someone that's green and may not know better, do you take it and hold off the on the receipt, or do you give them in "in ring lesson" right then and there? Along the same lines of your rant, what do you do to with someone that's no-selling everything (a la Brody/Luger)? If you working a guy, and for the sake of argument he's a BIG boy, and he suddenly stops working, what do you do (besides never work with that guy again)?

I always tell my guys I'm training in Nashua a very simple theory on not selling enough during a match. When at the gym, I can afford to stop a match and give you pointers on how to sell and to what extent. In a match in front of a crowd, I have no such luxury. If I hit you, and you don't sell, I am going to hit you progressivly harder until you get the hint.

When something breaks down to the point of the Brody/Luger thing...leave if you feel you are in danger. If it's broken down to that point (which is EXTREMELY rare) then you're not going to do anything to save the match and you're doing everyone a favor; promoter, crowd, yourself and possibly even the "mark for himself" you're attempting to work with. Make some space and leave and let the dumb shit have a match by himself. After all...someone like that is only out there for themselves, so they might as well do it by themselves.

the_truth wrote:

I agree with you Mav. Although your relation of sex to a wrestling match has left me confused and scared of the images in my head. I need a hug, but I don't know from whom.... I know receipts are a part of the business as much as "goons" are a part of hockey and "high and inside" are a part of baseball. But in wrestling, it's a little different. You know when you get in the ring with a Rick Fuller or Bob Holly, you're going come out with a beet-red chest. But if you're wrestling someone that's green and may not know better, do you take it and hold off the on the receipt, or do you give them in "in ring lesson" right then and there? Along the same lines of your rant, what do you do to with someone that's no-selling everything (a la Brody/Luger)? If you working a guy, and for the sake of argument he's a BIG boy, and he suddenly stops working, what do you do (besides never work with that guy again)?

You are misusing the term receipt. A receipt is what you give after someone gives it to you. This pertains to a rib, a stiff shot, etc..
If someone hits me hard once, I generally let it slide. Twice, and they get a receipt. I never really had a situation where I've had to get down and dirty with someone.

There's also a difference in tight wrestlers versus stiff wrestlers. Stiff means intention to hurt in my opinion.

As far as someone not selling, you simply work them harder. If they are bigger than you, work them harder. Its not often your call if you get to wrestle them again. If a big guy hits you hard, you hit him hard. Because you are already getting beat up, so go down swinging.


My question is to Mav. Why are you ducking me? I saw you once at MXW, and since then, you haven't been at a single show I was on. Are you concerned that we will have to wrestle? Or share the same bucket?

Although I do agree with Mav's point on the big guy. I'm just a stubborn Irishman.

How do they get Weebles to Wobble but not fall down?

DanBarry wrote:

the_truth wrote: I agree with you Mav. Although your relation of sex to a wrestling match has left me confused and scared of the images in my head. I need a hug, but I don't know from whom.... I know receipts are a part of the business as much as "goons" are a part of hockey and "high and inside" are a part of baseball. But in wrestling, it's a little different. You know when you get in the ring with a Rick Fuller or Bob Holly, you're going come out with a beet-red chest. But if you're wrestling someone that's green and may not know better, do you take it and hold off the on the receipt, or do you give them in "in ring lesson" right then and there? Along the same lines of your rant, what do you do to with someone that's no-selling everything (a la Brody/Luger)? If you working a guy, and for the sake of argument he's a BIG boy, and he suddenly stops working, what do you do (besides never work with that guy again)? You are misusing the term receipt. A receipt is what you give after someone gives it to you. This pertains to a rib, a stiff shot, etc.. If someone hits me hard once, I generally let it slide. Twice, and they get a receipt. I never really had a situation where I've had to get down and dirty with someone. There's also a difference in tight wrestlers versus stiff wrestlers. Stiff means intention to hurt in my opinion. As far as someone not selling, you simply work them harder. If they are bigger than you, work them harder. Its not often your call if you get to wrestle them again. If a big guy hits you hard, you hit him hard. Because you are already getting beat up, so go down swinging. My question is to Mav. Why are you ducking me? I saw you once at MXW, and since then, you haven't been at a single show I was on. Are you concerned that we will have to wrestle? Or share the same bucket?

Don't take it personal. I don't work many shows outside my own at this point...little time, less patience and a boatload of old injuries flaring up as I approach 38 years old.

Randy Orton wrote:

How do they get Weebles to Wobble but not fall down?

Oh, good question and it reminds me.....I was watching Unwrapped on the FoodNetwork over the weekend and they did this show on lollipops. And the question came up of how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop. I should have posted it right away because now I forget exactly, but believe it or not it was somewhere around 211 or 216. I don't know who the hell took the time out to figure that one out, but there ya go!

You are wrong. Jason Blade will have the correct answer to that. I asked him that question, as half of a "humor" question. Interview coming soon.

And Dan..

What do you think is the most overrated move in professional wrestling today? Time for ya to think.

#1SpiderFan wrote:

Oh, good question and it reminds me.....I was watching Unwrapped on the FoodNetwork over the weekend and they did this show on lollipops. And the question came up of how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop. I should have posted it right away because now I forget exactly, but believe it or not it was somewhere around 211 or 216. I don't know who the hell took the time out to figure that one out, but there ya go!

enforcer wrote:

#1SpiderFan wrote: Oh, good question and it reminds me.....I was watching Unwrapped on the FoodNetwork over the weekend and they did this show on lollipops. And the question came up of how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop. I should have posted it right away because now I forget exactly, but believe it or not it was somewhere around 211 or 216. I don't know who the hell took the time out to figure that one out, but there ya go!

You're right...that wasn't off topic, it was out of this universe.

GG I know i'm not an in ring worker BUT I has seen enough matches to offer a point of view that does not suck.

I offer up 3 picks.

1... The shooting star press. Yeah it looks cool BUT in my eyes the risk just anit worth the reward.

2 the moonsaul. tNot so much in this area but I have seen tapes of indies from the tristate a0rea wher it looked like everyone and there brother used one. It was great for Muta and T mask back in the da, but now it's no big thing to see one anymore.

3 This is just a pet peeve of mine but I HATE chops. knife edges worked for Flair because he did them forever and people wanted to see them. Now it feels like how hard you can chop is a badge of preverse honor. Blah, that just feels stupid to me. I always thought the idea of wrestling was to make things LOOK like it hurts, not leave a guys chest a bloody mass of hamberg meet.

Thanks for the reply Scott, well thought out. I dont agree with all of it, but at least you have sound reasoning and thought out the answers. Now, Dan hopefully will offer up his opinions too.

GrayGhost wrote:

You are wrong. Jason Blade will have the correct answer to that. I asked him that question, as half of a "humor" question. Interview coming soon. And Dan.. What do you think is the most overrated move in professional wrestling today? Time for ya to think.

"Over rated" or "over-used"? I don't think any move is "over rated". It's not real. If people buy it...It can't be over rated. Moves that look impossible to do...those I hate. Think "Canadian Destroyer".

Overused though...yeah, that happens. Poor John Walters has had his "lungblower" pimped out and franchised to no end. How do you think
Jake Roberts feels? Of course, the running gag for years in the old AWA was I'd make something up and Justin Shaype would promptly steal it and use it in the opener the very next show so I couldn't use it anymore...non meat eating fucking asshole that he is.

Shit like that is why I prefer to just crack someone between the running lights. It always works, people can identify with it and it ends a lot of fuckin' around.

MAV wrote:

enforcer wrote: #1SpiderFan wrote: Oh, good question and it reminds me.....I was watching Unwrapped on the FoodNetwork over the weekend and they did this show on lollipops. And the question came up of how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop. I should have posted it right away because now I forget exactly, but believe it or not it was somewhere around 211 or 216. I don't know who the hell took the time out to figure that one out, but there ya go! You're right...that wasn't off topic, it was out of this universe.

Well, I can't remember where we were talking about it but it was a topic somewhere. And I don't have time to look.

Randy Orton wrote:

How do they get Weebles to Wobble but not fall down?

Weebles wobble due to the weight ratio in the actual weeble. With a round bottom (no tara charisma jokes) and more weight added to the bottom, weebles will always return to the upright position.

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What do you think is the most overrated move in professional wrestling today? Time for ya to think.

The Super kick. A move that every wrestler including myself has done.

The Stone Cold Stunner. People do a jawbreaker the same way he does the stunner, they hit a harder part of the body against the chin, and yet one knocks you out whereas the other makes you stagger.

As per the Shooting star, the risk vs reward argument could be said of any high-flying move. I happen to like the shooting star because, for me, I can do it effortlessly.

However, my vote for most OVERRATED move is...... Any lucha armdrag. Think about it, wheelbarrows into headscissors where you do 3 backflips and end in an armdrag? All that effort to make someone roll? Seems silly to me.

Mav, I think basically I meant, a move that is used so much to try and get a pop, when it isnt that great. Hard to explain. I think you kinda answered what I was aiming for, as did Mr Angel. Thanks.

Anymore questions?