[bigdaddylou71]

hahaha

[gaulin]

lol my girl friend is 18 idiot and believe me your not the only pervert from the indy scene whos made any kind of jestures towards her or references.sucks to be jealous

[DanBarry]

Gaulin, they don't teach chair shots in wrestling schools because that is not wrestling.

You are in no way shape or form a professional wrestler. You are training to be one, and one day, can call yourself one.

You may know wrestling moves, but that doesn't make you a wrestler.

There are fundamental elements of wrestling you learn from guys who have been around longer than you. You learn nothing when you wrestle people who are at the same stage of the game as you.

Threatening people, and especially professional wrestlers is probably the dumbest thing you could ever do. Don't do it.

You wanna run your shows and consider it wrestling then fine. However the only thing your showing now is that you're a mark for yourself. This business is harsh, and more often than not, the tenure of most wrestlers is very short. Without a change in attitude, you will not make it to 2 years.

If you respond to this with, say that to my face, you have completely missed the point.

[enforcer]

gaulin wrote:

lol my girl friend is 18 idiot and believe me your not the only pervert from the indy scene whos made any kind of jestures towards her or references.sucks to be jealous

Wow, this stuff just writes itself.

Also, you should take seriously what the pros are telling you on here.

[gaulin]

Dan i'll agree with you to a point.My post might come off as miss leading to some but the situation is weve been together like a family for 8 years.yeah we were messing in the yard for 7 of them not knowing nothing but saying one day were going to make something out of this.
we began to train and work our asses off.learning the business through mistakes and people guiding us in the right direction.200 happy people per show,our own warehouse and ring and training every week means weve come a long way in a short time through hard work.So when were still looked down on as trash to some obviously im going to take offense by that.As for hardcore ,thats the fan base weve built.they come to see the uwd guys get hardcore and see good technical wrestling as well.Im not saying were like the old ecw but our fan base is like them.they dont like pro wrestling shows that have no hardcore.its just not that type of fan base.they would feel cheated if we didnt give it to them.weve tried one show before.it didnt work.

[enforcer]

gaulin wrote:

Dan i'll agree with you to a point.My post might come off as miss leading to some but the situation is weve been together like a family for 8 years.yeah we were messing in the yard for 7 of them not knowing nothing but saying one day were going to make something out of this. we began to train and work our asses off.learning the business through mistakes and people guiding us in the right direction.200 happy people per show,our own warehouse and ring and training every week means weve come a long way in a short time through hard work.So when were still looked down on as trash to some obviously im going to take offense by that.As for hardcore ,thats the fan base weve built.they come to see the uwd guys get hardcore and see good technical wrestling as well.Im not saying were like the old ecw but our fan base is like them.they dont like pro wrestling shows that have no hardcore.its just not that type of fan base.they would feel cheated if we didnt give it to them.weve tried one show before.it didnt work.

I could swear I've seen this posted about a thousand times already.

[gaulin]

so why do you keep reading it? leave the uwd threads alone and go bother someone else

[DanBarry]

You need to understand that my argument is that you shouldn't have a fan base.
You say you don't get paid... then who does?
What's your idea of good technical wrestling? Does 6 months of training mean you're a good technical wrestler? Because I don't think it does whatsoever.
You need to understand that in the hierarchy of professional wrestling, you are the lowest point on the totem pole. People will look down on you. This is life. You need to realize that there is a thing in wrestling called paying dues. You are nowhere near done with that phase. You have done nothing in professional wrestling. People will respect you more, when you've earned your spot, not when you made it for yourself on your own show.
You will not agree with anything I have just said. And thats fine. But the problem is you don't have the merit to argue the points I've made. If someone like Mav or Bob Evans or Mad Dog, or someone wants to come here and argue the finer points thats fine. You don't have enough of a wrestling education to be doing what you're doing.
I know a lot of people, and have wrestled a lot of people, who aren't in wrestling anymore due to poor decisions involving their wrestling habits.
You are going to these shows to be cheered. You are going to satiate your ego. That is not what wrestlings about. Stay in the wrestling school, learn wrestling inside and out, then go and do shows.
6 months is in no way shape or form busting your ass.

[enforcer]

gaulin wrote:

go bother someone else

You're right, I'll let the people who are actually in the biz point out how much of an unprofessional jackass you really are. Personally, I think Aaron Morrison should strongly consider kicking you out of his training sessions because you clearly are not going to make it in wrestling. And I don't have to be in tha biz to see this.

You know, that just gave me another idea for a poll.

[enforcer]

http://www.theburninghammer.com/forum/topics.html-t-19423

[MAV]

gaulin wrote:

If my post was actually read correctly you would understand I meant we promote wrestling like every other indy fed .our flyers dont say backyard or pro wrestling on them.Uwd fans know they are going to see a wrestling show.Its a different product that has pro wrestling technical stuff mixed with hardcore. As far as training goes I sure would like to know at what stage do the wrestling schools teach hardcore chair shots etc. so by saying at this stage were not ready for it is stuff you have the learn on your own and suck it up."maybe fans like us because we are willing to sacrifice and give everything we have ,every match"I still hate it when people think they know where we are at with training and how the atmosphere of seeing a uwd show is without actually being there.I respect the hell out of aaron and it seems like a few people want to make me look like a piece of shit to stir up trouble. Now even though i have no power in running theese show i make suggestions to help out and most of them turned out good.i dont make a cent off theese shows and sometimes I wonder why I feel the need to defend them time and time again.Maybe because were so close like a family.Put it this way .I know what weve learned and what we have accomplished.I see 200 fans at our shows screaming.I am passionate about being trained and learning the art of pro wrestling.What a few people on here say shouldnt matter.I respect workers who are out there and have been through it all.I really do.I respect the UWD fans and those who want to give us a chance on here."they are what has made us succesful and not some of you haters"I dont respect or like know it alls who seem to know us better then we do".Remember theese are my opinions ,not uwds or anyone affiliated with them.I also feel some fans dont like to see underdogs doing really well for themselfs so I can understand why some of you might be bitter towards our success and possibly jealous about how far the uwd has come.Im not gloating but with some of you that go to shows that draw half a crowd base then uwd it seems dont understand it.I feel bad for what some of you are missing out .Now if you feel the need to change my words around,make them your own and disect this feel free to .have fun with that.Like I said before I am a very straight forward person and id like to work other shows but if uwd is where i was meant to be then they are doing pretty good to satisfy "my play wrestling needs " for now

1) "If my post was actually read correctly you would understand..."

I super sized your first sentence because I found it funny. Look at the body of you text. It's written all the grammatical skill of an 11 year old sending an extended text message. How the fuck is ANYONE supposed to read what you mean correctly? Seriously...I am fully aware that most guys on this board (myself included) aren't English majors, but God damn!- Take a remedial writing course or something. Your writing looks like you had a pile of words in the back of a box truck, slammed on the brakes hard and the words that stuck to the inside of the truck were reproduced on the internet as your posts. It's like you need the Rosetta stone to translate.

2) "As far as training goes I sure would like to know at what stage do the wrestling schools teach hardcore chair shots etc. so by saying at this stage were not ready for it is stuff you have the learn on your own and suck it up."

There is no such thing as a "hardcore chair shot". There's just getting hit with a fucking chair-period. It always hurts, but it can be done without doing serious damage. As to when you learn it-most places do, believe it or not, teach this. Apparently, you either missed that night or you haven't been shown yet. You get taught how to do it correctly so someone doesn't have to "suck it up" with brain damage or live the rest of their days in a wheel chair because a dipshit like you "learn on your own" and nearly kill someone.

3) "maybe fans like us because we are willing to sacrifice and give everything we have ,every match""

SACRIFICE is a word assigned to individuals who put a certain ideal ahead of things involving quick self gratification for a larger goal. You are doing nothing of the sort. Just because your buddies can put together 2 1/2 minutes of highlights of you set to the song "Sacrifice" doesn't mean you have actually sacrificed anything.

4) "I dont respect or like know it alls who seem to know us better then we do"


If there are 100 members on this board, 99 percent of them know better than you. You prove that every time you post. By the way, you know who really does know more than you? All the older guys on here calling you on your bullshit.

5) "...so I can understand why some of you might be bitter towards our success and possibly jealous about how far the uwd has come"

No one is jealous of you. Frankly...I find you kind of sad.

6) "Now if you feel the need to change my words around,make them your own and disect this feel free to .have fun with that"
Where did I change your words around? I have quoted you, word for ill-conceived word, and replied. It's not my fault I and others here have enough respect for the written word to try our best to follow some form of grammatical rhythm and to use it to express ourselves well.

It's a debate. You're losing badly, and you may not like it...but that's how a debate works. It has nothing to do with "Haters". None of us are "Players"…except perhaps for you in the sense you’re fucking around with something a great many people here have spent a long time trying to master.

7) "Like I said before I am a very straight forward person and id like to work other shows but if uwd is where i was meant to be then they are doing pretty good to satisfy "my play wrestling needs""

With your attitude towards training, and you're "in your face" bullshit...Who the fuck would want to book you? By the way, if for some reason, woe unto them, someone does book you, I'd reign that stand-offish bullshit in kid. There's always someone tougher than you out there, and you will get called to task.

I also would never term this whole thing as your attempt to satisfy your "...play wrestling needs". It's worse than that. It's a luxury, a want, a guilty pleasure-not a need. Worse still, it's all those things but you seem to think that somehow you are above criticism and beyond having to do what most people would recognize as a bare minimum to prepare for it. That makes you shitloads worse than the dreaded "back yarder" label.

Mav

[GrayGhost]

Well. this thread could go on forever. Maybe UWD should just go their own way, and make their own mistakes, and what have you. People like Bob, and Mav and Dan Barry who have posted on the topic are the ones w the most credence, as they are workers. Those of us regular people like Myself, enforcer and anyone else, while having what we feel are valid opinions, can't really "put ourselves in this spot".

I know Mav and you guys are trying to debate them, maybe even help them indirectly from making mistakes, but as I'm sure you guys know, often times people don't listen at all, and will still go their own way. Its human nature.

Best of luck to UWD to do things what really is the "right way" and not get yourselfs hurt, and continued best to the professional wrestlign shows we all enjoy so much.

[KL Murphy]

I just thought I'd lighten things up.



Carry on.

[Michael_R_Giusti]

Dad, that picture does nothing to lighten me up!

I only like Patrice O'Neal as a radio DJ on GTA IV!

[CuntAgeous1]

why does every forum start one way and end with a uwd battle?? playing devils advocate my real questions are "who's the real instigator?" and "are you guys being cornered by people or are you putting yourself in the corner?" the end of this and many other forum play in those question.. I have to contentions and no quotes but I think anyone can see my point

[CuntAgeous1]

Oh it's ironic how we American's value the freedom to speech... (but only when someone says something we agree with)

[DanBarry]

Don't get into a freedom of speech debate on this thing. Do it on the no holds barred forum.

[Davepadula]

Hey all,
Just wanted to give my 2 cents.....
Education is really big with me. Continued edcuation in prowrestling is no different than continued learning at a college.

I don't know the guys from UWD, but you have to give them credit for going to someone with a great reputation like Aaron to learn. They could have grabbed some guy who spent 2 weeks at a school to learn from, but they choose someone with experience and a great reputation.

As far as age is concerned, I have seen horrible promoters over 40 and have seen a young kid back in 1996 run one of the most professional shows I had ever seen, and still runs today, and that person is Mr. Mike O'Obrien from NEW.

There is always going to be debates about who should be able to run a show or wrestle, etc,,,but we all started somewhere, we all made huge mistakes, and as long as you learned from them, and continue learning, that's what counts.

Very few people know the love and passion I have for the business of professional wrestling. I may never sell big tickets and I may never have that 5 star match everyone strives for, but I am always open to learning how I can better myself in the ring. I can not tell you how valuable the opportunity of being able to just sit and listen to guys like Mav, Dan Barry, Aaron Morrison, Bob Evans, Matt and Kyle Storm, Sheldon Goldberg, Kevin Landry, Frankie Arion, Alex Arion, Jose Perez and many others is. Just read their post here. Some may find them entertaining, funny, but if you look close, and pay attention, to the stories and what these guys say and write, it's a great education.

This has been my 2cents
Peace,
Dave

[enforcer]

You're not comparing UWD to NEW, are you?

[jd]

CuntAgeous1 wrote:

...I have to contentions and no quotes but I think anyone can see my point

Not with a sentence like that we can't.

[MAV]

CuntAgeous1 wrote:

Oh it's ironic how we American's value the freedom to speech... (but only when someone says something we agree with)

Don't try to turn this into a freedom of speech violation of some form... No one has stopped Gaulin/Joey Rockstar from saying anything.

You know what other right we have in America? The right to disagree. In fact, that's what the whole freedom of speech subject centers around. If you agreed on everything everybody else did, you wouldn't even need free speech. We'd all live together like content, stupid little drones just watching the clouds pass us by.

The surest hallmark of a guy losing an argument is for someone to cry about how his rights are being stepped on. It's a completely bullshit response based on someone not being able to intelligently present his or her case. If the mods here came to your house, kicked the door in, slammed the butt of a rifle into your jaw and told you to keep your mouth shut...that would be a freedom of speech violation. Telling someone they are wrong is not.

[KL Murphy]

Mav's right, if you shut us up doesn't that step on OUR freedoms?

[maddogms]

KL Murphy wrote:

Mav's right, if you shut us up doesn't that step on OUR freedoms?

Shut up Murph!

[KL Murphy]

How could you be so mean on my birthday.

ON YOUR FATHER'S BIRTHDAY!

[Michael_R_Giusti]

http://freedomfriez.ytmnd.com/