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Posted 13 Aug 2008, 11:33 pm Reply with quote
I decided just to make a topic since almost every week I think of something to ask. I'm just going to post any upcoming questions in this thread.

So here's my next question:

Are there any superstitions, dos-and-do-nots, etc. in wrestling? I've heard "always wipe your boots off on the apron before stepping in the ring" but I don't know if that's a superstition or a cleanliness thing.

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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.

Theres more, but Im tired. Too many things to list. Join a school and you'll figure it out.
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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.

Theres more, but Im tired. Too many things to list. Join a school and you'll figure it out.

I think Dan hit the Big 4! There are many more things, but if you remember these, it will get you a long way.
I also make it a point to say hello to the families and gfs/bfs of wrestlers. They sacrifice so much, and usually don't get the credit they much deserve. Even if you don't know who someone is, say hello to them, cause they just could be the promoter who books you for his/her next show.


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What happens if you step in dogshit on the way to the ring? I mean, this is the indies and something like this could possibly happen.
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What happens if you step in dogshit on the way to the ring? I mean, this is the indies and something like this could possibly happen.


That's where the timekeeper's shirt comes into play.

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Im Known for wiping my feet b4 i step in the ring.

and remember to keep kayfabe alive
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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.


I didn't think wiping your boots was a sign of respect there's practical reasons behind it too. If you have sand on your boots that you track into the ring it's possible it could actually injure the wrestlers who are put in holds on the mat. Also it could mess with the traction on your boots and cause injury. Not to mention for the producers taping the matches if they have to do edits they will be more easily visable if there are footprints in the ring that suddenly disappear.

I was told two things for shaking people's hands. First off shaking the worker's hands was to identify people as workers. When going into a lockerroom technically you could let the other workers know you're a worker without ever saying a word. This was more important in the days before sharing lockerrooms. Secondly I was told you're not shaking hands out of respect we're shaking each other's hands because we need each other. The main event can't be the main event with out the opening match, the opening match can't be on without the main event, the champion can't be the champion without someone putting him over and so forth. To make money we all need each other, not really a sign of respect but because we need our business relationships so we can all make money. Same reason you shake everyone's hand in a business meeting.

I would add one addendum to the asking wrestler's who've been around longer to critique your matches. I would say pick out the wrestlers that excel in certain areas to critique those areas of your match. Maverick Wild would be a guy you would ask to critique your ring psychology, Scott Ashworth would be a guy you would ask to critique your crowd work, Bob Evans would be a guy that you would ask to critique your technical work (working the body part), Obviously you could ask any of these guys pretty much any of that stuff interchangeably but just for examples and I know they really excel incredibly in those areas. Not to sound horrible here but I would definetly see one of the veteran's matches that is critiquing you. We've all had more than one instance where someone critiques your match with things that don't exactly sound right, then you see their match and it's an abortion of the highest degree. You know..like my matches Laughing

For superstitions I know some guys that say a prayer before a match, some guys do a warm up of push-ups and squats, some guys use the resistance bands to pump up before the match. I always ask my noodly master to watch over me with his noodly appendage *RAMEN*
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Nice to see a fellow Pastafarian. Laughing

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Posted 14 Aug 2008, 11:21 pm Reply with quote
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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.


I didn't think wiping your boots was a sign of respect there's practical reasons behind it too. If you have sand on your boots that you track into the ring it's possible it could actually injure the wrestlers who are put in holds on the mat. Also it could mess with the traction on your boots and cause injury. Not to mention for the producers taping the matches if they have to do edits they will be more easily visable if there are footprints in the ring that suddenly disappear.

I was told two things for shaking people's hands. First off shaking the worker's hands was to identify people as workers. When going into a lockerroom technically you could let the other workers know you're a worker without ever saying a word. This was more important in the days before sharing lockerrooms. Secondly I was told you're not shaking hands out of respect we're shaking each other's hands because we need each other. The main event can't be the main event with out the opening match, the opening match can't be on without the main event, the champion can't be the champion without someone putting him over and so forth. To make money we all need each other, not really a sign of respect but because we need our business relationships so we can all make money. Same reason you shake everyone's hand in a business meeting.

I would add one addendum to the asking wrestler's who've been around longer to critique your matches. I would say pick out the wrestlers that excel in certain areas to critique those areas of your match. Maverick Wild would be a guy you would ask to critique your ring psychology, Scott Ashworth would be a guy you would ask to critique your crowd work, Bob Evans would be a guy that you would ask to critique your technical work (working the body part), Obviously you could ask any of these guys pretty much any of that stuff interchangeably but just for examples and I know they really excel incredibly in those areas. Not to sound horrible here but I would definetly see one of the veteran's matches that is critiquing you. We've all had more than one instance where someone critiques your match with things that don't exactly sound right, then you see their match and it's an abortion of the highest degree. You know..like my matches Laughing

For superstitions I know some guys that say a prayer before a match, some guys do a warm up of push-ups and squats, some guys use the resistance bands to pump up before the match. I always ask my noodly master to watch over me with his noodly appendage *RAMEN*



Call me crazy, but why would you expose all of this inside information?

Real workers go to wrestling school, bust their asses and pay their dues to be a part of this closed society. What is the point of letting everyone in on the "secret"?
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Posted 15 Aug 2008, 6:47 am Reply with quote
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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.


I didn't think wiping your boots was a sign of respect there's practical reasons behind it too. If you have sand on your boots that you track into the ring it's possible it could actually injure the wrestlers who are put in holds on the mat. Also it could mess with the traction on your boots and cause injury. Not to mention for the producers taping the matches if they have to do edits they will be more easily visable if there are footprints in the ring that suddenly disappear.

I was told two things for shaking people's hands. First off shaking the worker's hands was to identify people as workers. When going into a lockerroom technically you could let the other workers know you're a worker without ever saying a word. This was more important in the days before sharing lockerrooms. Secondly I was told you're not shaking hands out of respect we're shaking each other's hands because we need each other. The main event can't be the main event with out the opening match, the opening match can't be on without the main event, the champion can't be the champion without someone putting him over and so forth. To make money we all need each other, not really a sign of respect but because we need our business relationships so we can all make money. Same reason you shake everyone's hand in a business meeting.

I would add one addendum to the asking wrestler's who've been around longer to critique your matches. I would say pick out the wrestlers that excel in certain areas to critique those areas of your match. Maverick Wild would be a guy you would ask to critique your ring psychology, Scott Ashworth would be a guy you would ask to critique your crowd work, Bob Evans would be a guy that you would ask to critique your technical work (working the body part), Obviously you could ask any of these guys pretty much any of that stuff interchangeably but just for examples and I know they really excel incredibly in those areas. Not to sound horrible here but I would definetly see one of the veteran's matches that is critiquing you. We've all had more than one instance where someone critiques your match with things that don't exactly sound right, then you see their match and it's an abortion of the highest degree. You know..like my matches Laughing

For superstitions I know some guys that say a prayer before a match, some guys do a warm up of push-ups and squats, some guys use the resistance bands to pump up before the match. I always ask my noodly master to watch over me with his noodly appendage *RAMEN*



Call me crazy, but why would you expose all of this inside information?

Real workers go to wrestling school, bust their asses and pay their dues to be a part of this closed society. What is the point of letting everyone in on the "secret"?


I don't see the harm in him learning something about the traditions and etiquette of wrestling ahead of time. It will probably make his transition into training a lot easier.

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To add to what Tim is saying about the hand shake. I was also taugh that giving the worker hand shake was not only to identify the other guys that you were a worker, but to also let them know you were going to work light. Some guys were known for their stiff hand shakes and thus they were also known for being stiff (The Crusher is a great example of this).
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This is all news to me. I always thought wrestling was real.
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It is real.....very real
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Posted 15 Aug 2008, 12:32 pm Reply with quote
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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.


I didn't think wiping your boots was a sign of respect there's practical reasons behind it too. If you have sand on your boots that you track into the ring it's possible it could actually injure the wrestlers who are put in holds on the mat. Also it could mess with the traction on your boots and cause injury. Not to mention for the producers taping the matches if they have to do edits they will be more easily visable if there are footprints in the ring that suddenly disappear.

I was told two things for shaking people's hands. First off shaking the worker's hands was to identify people as workers. When going into a lockerroom technically you could let the other workers know you're a worker without ever saying a word. This was more important in the days before sharing lockerrooms. Secondly I was told you're not shaking hands out of respect we're shaking each other's hands because we need each other. The main event can't be the main event with out the opening match, the opening match can't be on without the main event, the champion can't be the champion without someone putting him over and so forth. To make money we all need each other, not really a sign of respect but because we need our business relationships so we can all make money. Same reason you shake everyone's hand in a business meeting.

I would add one addendum to the asking wrestler's who've been around longer to critique your matches. I would say pick out the wrestlers that excel in certain areas to critique those areas of your match. Maverick Wild would be a guy you would ask to critique your ring psychology, Scott Ashworth would be a guy you would ask to critique your crowd work, Bob Evans would be a guy that you would ask to critique your technical work (working the body part), Obviously you could ask any of these guys pretty much any of that stuff interchangeably but just for examples and I know they really excel incredibly in those areas. Not to sound horrible here but I would definetly see one of the veteran's matches that is critiquing you. We've all had more than one instance where someone critiques your match with things that don't exactly sound right, then you see their match and it's an abortion of the highest degree. You know..like my matches Laughing

For superstitions I know some guys that say a prayer before a match, some guys do a warm up of push-ups and squats, some guys use the resistance bands to pump up before the match. I always ask my noodly master to watch over me with his noodly appendage *RAMEN*



Call me crazy, but why would you expose all of this inside information?

Real workers go to wrestling school, bust their asses and pay their dues to be a part of this closed society. What is the point of letting everyone in on the "secret"?


I don't see the harm in him learning something about the traditions and etiquette of wrestling ahead of time. It will probably make his transition into training a lot easier.



what you just described for shaking hands is Respect. if you need them you respect them. and i was taught by kowalski and you always shake everyone's hands it doesn't matter if they're a worker, referee, ring crew, or somebody's girlfriend. if they're in the locker room you shake they're hand.

and by the way, you don't need to wipe your boots or shoes off if you don't wear them outside. my shoes go from bag to my feet to the ring. if there's sand in the area then the building is in really shitty condition
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Posted 15 Aug 2008, 12:47 pm Reply with quote
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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.


I didn't think wiping your boots was a sign of respect there's practical reasons behind it too. If you have sand on your boots that you track into the ring it's possible it could actually injure the wrestlers who are put in holds on the mat. Also it could mess with the traction on your boots and cause injury. Not to mention for the producers taping the matches if they have to do edits they will be more easily visable if there are footprints in the ring that suddenly disappear.

I was told two things for shaking people's hands. First off shaking the worker's hands was to identify people as workers. When going into a lockerroom technically you could let the other workers know you're a worker without ever saying a word. This was more important in the days before sharing lockerrooms. Secondly I was told you're not shaking hands out of respect we're shaking each other's hands because we need each other. The main event can't be the main event with out the opening match, the opening match can't be on without the main event, the champion can't be the champion without someone putting him over and so forth. To make money we all need each other, not really a sign of respect but because we need our business relationships so we can all make money. Same reason you shake everyone's hand in a business meeting.

I would add one addendum to the asking wrestler's who've been around longer to critique your matches. I would say pick out the wrestlers that excel in certain areas to critique those areas of your match. Maverick Wild would be a guy you would ask to critique your ring psychology, Scott Ashworth would be a guy you would ask to critique your crowd work, Bob Evans would be a guy that you would ask to critique your technical work (working the body part), Obviously you could ask any of these guys pretty much any of that stuff interchangeably but just for examples and I know they really excel incredibly in those areas. Not to sound horrible here but I would definetly see one of the veteran's matches that is critiquing you. We've all had more than one instance where someone critiques your match with things that don't exactly sound right, then you see their match and it's an abortion of the highest degree. You know..like my matches Laughing

For superstitions I know some guys that say a prayer before a match, some guys do a warm up of push-ups and squats, some guys use the resistance bands to pump up before the match. I always ask my noodly master to watch over me with his noodly appendage *RAMEN*



Call me crazy, but why would you expose all of this inside information?

Real workers go to wrestling school, bust their asses and pay their dues to be a part of this closed society. What is the point of letting everyone in on the "secret"?


I don't see the harm in him learning something about the traditions and etiquette of wrestling ahead of time. It will probably make his transition into training a lot easier.


If he's going to go to wrestling school and become a "worker" the right way then won't he learn this when that time comes?

I don't see harm in a future worker learning this, but I do see harm in posting it all over a wrestling message board.
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Posted 15 Aug 2008, 1:02 pm Reply with quote
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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.


I didn't think wiping your boots was a sign of respect there's practical reasons behind it too. If you have sand on your boots that you track into the ring it's possible it could actually injure the wrestlers who are put in holds on the mat. Also it could mess with the traction on your boots and cause injury. Not to mention for the producers taping the matches if they have to do edits they will be more easily visable if there are footprints in the ring that suddenly disappear.

I was told two things for shaking people's hands. First off shaking the worker's hands was to identify people as workers. When going into a lockerroom technically you could let the other workers know you're a worker without ever saying a word. This was more important in the days before sharing lockerrooms. Secondly I was told you're not shaking hands out of respect we're shaking each other's hands because we need each other. The main event can't be the main event with out the opening match, the opening match can't be on without the main event, the champion can't be the champion without someone putting him over and so forth. To make money we all need each other, not really a sign of respect but because we need our business relationships so we can all make money. Same reason you shake everyone's hand in a business meeting.

I would add one addendum to the asking wrestler's who've been around longer to critique your matches. I would say pick out the wrestlers that excel in certain areas to critique those areas of your match. Maverick Wild would be a guy you would ask to critique your ring psychology, Scott Ashworth would be a guy you would ask to critique your crowd work, Bob Evans would be a guy that you would ask to critique your technical work (working the body part), Obviously you could ask any of these guys pretty much any of that stuff interchangeably but just for examples and I know they really excel incredibly in those areas. Not to sound horrible here but I would definetly see one of the veteran's matches that is critiquing you. We've all had more than one instance where someone critiques your match with things that don't exactly sound right, then you see their match and it's an abortion of the highest degree. You know..like my matches Laughing

For superstitions I know some guys that say a prayer before a match, some guys do a warm up of push-ups and squats, some guys use the resistance bands to pump up before the match. I always ask my noodly master to watch over me with his noodly appendage *RAMEN*



Call me crazy, but why would you expose all of this inside information?

Real workers go to wrestling school, bust their asses and pay their dues to be a part of this closed society. What is the point of letting everyone in on the "secret"?


I don't see the harm in him learning something about the traditions and etiquette of wrestling ahead of time. It will probably make his transition into training a lot easier.


If he's going to go to wrestling school and become a "worker" the right way then won't he learn this when that time comes?

I don't see harm in a future worker learning this, but I do see harm in posting it all over a wrestling message board.


I could see your point if he were dumping this all out in a newspaper or on TV. This board is made up of hardcore fans, wanna be wrestlers, barely wrestlers (me) and wrestlers. 99 percent of the populace is unaware that sites like this even exist.

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Posted 15 Aug 2008, 1:03 pm Reply with quote
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It is real.....very real


I never got real it was till I started seeing Anthony's matches and then seeing the next day battle wounds. If anything about wrestling is fake it is the myth that it is fake itself. It is fucked up how torn up people get for little money given what they go through to have people just dismiss it as fake. Hell took a while before I stopped worrying about the guys I know getting seriously hurt at matches following Anthony's jaw shattering and Spider's tragedy.
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Wiping your boots is so you dont drag dirt into the ring. Its a sign of respect.

Shaking the hand of everyone in the locker room is also important, same reasons.

Ask any wrestler who has been in the business longer than you to watch your match if they can and critique it.


I didn't think wiping your boots was a sign of respect there's practical reasons behind it too. If you have sand on your boots that you track into the ring it's possible it could actually injure the wrestlers who are put in holds on the mat. Also it could mess with the traction on your boots and cause injury. Not to mention for the producers taping the matches if they have to do edits they will be more easily visable if there are footprints in the ring that suddenly disappear.

I was told two things for shaking people's hands. First off shaking the worker's hands was to identify people as workers. When going into a lockerroom technically you could let the other workers know you're a worker without ever saying a word. This was more important in the days before sharing lockerrooms. Secondly I was told you're not shaking hands out of respect we're shaking each other's hands because we need each other. The main event can't be the main event with out the opening match, the opening match can't be on without the main event, the champion can't be the champion without someone putting him over and so forth. To make money we all need each other, not really a sign of respect but because we need our business relationships so we can all make money. Same reason you shake everyone's hand in a business meeting.

I would add one addendum to the asking wrestler's who've been around longer to critique your matches. I would say pick out the wrestlers that excel in certain areas to critique those areas of your match. Maverick Wild would be a guy you would ask to critique your ring psychology, Scott Ashworth would be a guy you would ask to critique your crowd work, Bob Evans would be a guy that you would ask to critique your technical work (working the body part), Obviously you could ask any of these guys pretty much any of that stuff interchangeably but just for examples and I know they really excel incredibly in those areas. Not to sound horrible here but I would definetly see one of the veteran's matches that is critiquing you. We've all had more than one instance where someone critiques your match with things that don't exactly sound right, then you see their match and it's an abortion of the highest degree. You know..like my matches Laughing

For superstitions I know some guys that say a prayer before a match, some guys do a warm up of push-ups and squats, some guys use the resistance bands to pump up before the match. I always ask my noodly master to watch over me with his noodly appendage *RAMEN*



Call me crazy, but why would you expose all of this inside information?

Real workers go to wrestling school, bust their asses and pay their dues to be a part of this closed society. What is the point of letting everyone in on the "secret"?


I don't see the harm in him learning something about the traditions and etiquette of wrestling ahead of time. It will probably make his transition into training a lot easier.


If he's going to go to wrestling school and become a "worker" the right way then won't he learn this when that time comes?

I don't see harm in a future worker learning this, but I do see harm in posting it all over a wrestling message board.


I could see your point if he were dumping this all out in a newspaper or on TV. This board is made up of hardcore fans, wanna be wrestlers, barely wrestlers (me) and wrestlers. 99 percent of the populace is unaware that sites like this even exist.


I understand what you're saying, but a hardcore fan is still a "fan" and if there's even 1 fan on this board people should keep the locker room stuff out of it.
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Posted 15 Aug 2008, 1:14 pm Reply with quote
After the Bull Dredd/Teenage disrespect/Snake Brody shit/ACW stuff featuring post after post of inside squabbling...I respectfully stand by the merits of my messages. Hell, maybe the info will help prevent that kind of silly shit from happening more often.

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After the Bull Dredd/Teenage disrespect/Snake Brody shit/ACW stuff featuring post after post of inside squabbling...I respectfully stand by the merits of my messages. Hell, maybe the info will help prevent that kind of silly shit from happening more often.


I never said that they were right and you were wrong.

They are more wrong than anyone else on this board.

All I'm saying is that if you want to learn about the inside workings of professional wrestling, then you should go to an actual wrestling school. Whatever happened to protecting the business?
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After the Bull Dredd/Teenage disrespect/Snake Brody shit/ACW stuff featuring post after post of inside squabbling...I respectfully stand by the merits of my messages. Hell, maybe the info will help prevent that kind of silly shit from happening more often.


I never said that they were right and you were wrong.

They are more wrong than anyone else on this board.

All I'm saying is that if you want to learn about the inside workings of professional wrestling, then you should go to an actual wrestling school. Whatever happened to protecting the business?


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superstarml
Ring Technician
Ring Technician

Joined: 03 May 2006
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Location: Central Maine

Posted 15 Aug 2008, 1:41 pm Reply with quote
FRW Fall Guy wrote:
Del Toro wrote:
FRW Fall Guy wrote:
After the Bull Dredd/Teenage disrespect/Snake Brody shit/ACW stuff featuring post after post of inside squabbling...I respectfully stand by the merits of my messages. Hell, maybe the info will help prevent that kind of silly shit from happening more often.


I never said that they were right and you were wrong.

They are more wrong than anyone else on this board.

All I'm saying is that if you want to learn about the inside workings of professional wrestling, then you should go to an actual wrestling school. Whatever happened to protecting the business?


Vince McMahon.


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