Joe Biden really showed me why I would love him to President of the United States, but also why he could never get elected as such.

The guy is passionate, and intelligent. Passion works with the American people, intellect usually doesn't. I don't know why, but I think it scares people. They figure smart people have something up their sleeve.

Sarah Palin is a dumb broad. I know its not polite, and maybe sexist to slam her, but I don't care. She is dumb, and this whole folksy thing is disgusting. I know salt of the earth people, the kind she pretends to be, and she is not one of them. She is a snarky, bitchy, lipstick wearing weasel. She didn't answer a single f*ing question, and went to a card for answers. She called General McKiernan, General McLellan. General McLellan was in the Civil f*ing War. And she said it more than once, so its not a slip of the tongue. Seriously, John McCain I can tolerate as a President. If this woman ever became our President, it would be a disgrace to this great nation.

She performed adequately in terms of not stumbling, but did it by making snide attacks on Obama, who wasn't there to turn her into mincemeat, and praising John McCain and his "Maverick" nature.

I will leave you with this quote:

"Nuclear weapons would be the be all and end all of too many people on the planet."

a Dan Quayle like quote. Biden had good answers,she had answers for questions that weren't asked. she looked better than she did going against that pit bull Katie Couric. Obama has the momentum,they need to keep it going.

i don't know if it's just me, or if she's purposly doing it, but Sarah talks like a teenager. I think my mouth dropped open when she talked about telling the american people "straight up"... something.

like, really, what the hell???

steve, the line you quoted was another one that i laughed at. this country is in BIG trouble if mccain and her are elected.

that's my girl. if you ever need any cooking supplies look me up.

Rachel5831 wrote:

i don't know if it's just me, or if she's purposly doing it, but Sarah talks like a teenager. I think my mouth dropped open when she talked about telling the american people "straight up"... something. like, really, what the hell??? steve, the line you quoted was another one that i laughed at. this country is in BIG trouble if mccain and her are elected.

Good point about her talking like a teenager. She's annoying and dangerous. John McCain should be ashamed of himself.

Superstar Steve wrote:

Good point about her talking like a teenager. She's annoying and dangerous.

Okay, for those of you who can't see it... Sarah Palin is NOT an idiot. She's just like the rest of us. She is just a normal woman that happens to be involved in politics. She is not a politician. It's not that hard to differentiate the two.

Maybe she wasn't the best choice of a running mate for McCain, but the choice was made.

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't election. Either way we vote we're fucked.

eagleftw wrote:

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't election. Either way we vote we're fucked.

Not true. There is a 3rd alternative. Barr.

I dont see anything about trying to help the middle class,getting alternative energy moving or getting out of Iraq as damning. I call it progress.

overall i dont think she did bad, politically speaking. she basically gave a debate version of her convention speech. it was scripted responses to bring up issues the questions werent even about and yeah she was annoyingly hokey with her gosh darn middle class talk and pursuit of truth freedom america and hockey moms, but just the fact that she didnt look out of her league people will see it as her doing well.

both basically did ok. just like the other debate neither really did great or bad. biden gave some specifics whereas palin just did her typical "go get em" pep talk that her followers love

one thing i give them both credit for is even though they werent suppose to address each other they still actually came across like 2 people who acknowledged each others remarks. it wasnt like when mccain talked about obama like he wasnt even in the room and wouldnt make eye contact. she looked at him and gave him some credit here and there and they even smiled a bit about the fact that they are both politicians "playing the game"

all things considered where she was a month ago you have to give her a little credit. she basically did what she had to do and that was just be a likeable to people who dont like obama/biden.

When I say "Damned if you do, damned if you don't", I mean there are things people like about both parties, but everyone attacks the negatives.

Damned if you do is easier to make examples of than damned if you don't.

No matter who gets elected we all will have to deal with things we dislike.

eagleftw wrote:

Okay, for those of you who can't see it... Sarah Palin is NOT an idiot. She's just like the rest of us. She is just a normal woman that happens to be involved in politics. She is not a politician. It's not that hard to differentiate the two.

I guess I am naive or idealistic in believing that someone who is running for President or Vice President should be a little smarter, and a little more informed than the "rest of us." Since they have their hand on a "nucular" button and all.

Mr Smith Goes to Washington, Dave, Distinguished Gentleman, and other down home fun political movies are FICTION. Government is not baking pies and making whoopie in the snowbank. She is an atrocious and dangerous pick to be a heartbeat away from being President.

Superstar Steve wrote:

eagleftw wrote: Okay, for those of you who can't see it... Sarah Palin is NOT an idiot. She's just like the rest of us. She is just a normal woman that happens to be involved in politics. She is not a politician. It's not that hard to differentiate the two. I guess I am naive or idealistic in believing that someone who is running for President or Vice President should be a little smarter, and a little more informed than the "rest of us." Since they have their hand on a "nucular" button and all.

You keep harping on her mispronouncing a word-when do you bust Biden's balls for asking a guy in a wheelchair to stand up and take a bow or Obama for his second most famous speech. You know...the "Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-
Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-" one?

All three of them have come across like blithering idiots recently, and McCain looks like an incontinent old man. This is the same story as the last 8 years; a lesser of two evils vote. This time out, the lesser of the evils is the Democratic side. While I'm willing to admit it and that's the way I'm voting- let's not jump so wholeheartedly on the partisan train. Suck light is still suck.

MAV wrote:

All three of them have come across like blithering idiots recently, and McCain looks like an incontinent old man. This is the same story as the last 8 years; a lesser of two evils vote. This time out, the lesser of the evils is the Democratic side. While I'm willing to admit it and that's the way I'm voting- let's not jump so wholeheartedly on the partisan train. Suck light is still suck.

Very accurate statements right here.

Superstar Steve wrote:

eagleftw wrote: Okay, for those of you who can't see it... Sarah Palin is NOT an idiot. She's just like the rest of us. She is just a normal woman that happens to be involved in politics. She is not a politician. It's not that hard to differentiate the two. I guess I am naive or idealistic in believing that someone who is running for President or Vice President should be a little smarter, and a little more informed than the "rest of us." Since they have their hand on a "nucular" button and all. Mr Smith Goes to Washington, Dave, Distinguished Gentleman, and other down home fun political movies are FICTION. Government is not baking pies and making whoopie in the snowbank. She is an atrocious and dangerous pick to be a heartbeat away from being President.

Too bad that Nuclear button isn't really a button.

I remember taking US History in High School. I was shocked when I learned that the President doesn't have any more power than the other branches of government. Who would have thought that the balance of powers would make it so the President is just another desk job with different duties. He's the fall guy. He'll automatically be blamed for someone else's mishaps unless the media is all over it first. In turn he gets to have his finger on that "nucular" button.

Better ask JFK and Bill Clinton about making whoopie in the snowbank.

Everybody ready for the Lincoln/Palin ticket, featuring General McLellan?

c'mon. arent there any other pictures of General
George? ive seen that same one everywhere already. gotta run. i need to research John McCain. im trying to figure out which wars he has won if reference to some people referring to him knowing how to win wars.

eagleftw wrote:

Who would have thought that the balance of powers would make it so the President is just another desk job with different duties. He's the fall guy. He'll automatically be blamed for someone else's mishaps unless the media is all over it first. In turn he gets to have his finger on that "nucular" button.

So... you're saying that being given the power to nuke is a consolation prize for being under intense scrutiny?

Anyway, let me put my political scientist hat on and take away the veil of your gross generalizations on the powers of the executive branch.

Certainly, the Constitution outlines the checks and balances of power, but you're putting forth an incredibly weak argument. The President has a lot of implicit power: as a diplomat and a face of the nation. The President is supposed to represent our strengths to the world and to the people at home and this last one has been holding the country hostage to the inadequacies of his regime and showing nearly all of our negative traits: unchecked aggression, stupidity and ignorance, blind faith, rampant nationalism, gross dishonesty, incomparable clumsiness, and a pinch of fascist tendencies.

The President has the power to make appointments to very powerful offices: The Supreme Court and his own cabinet. Even though Congress must approve the appointments, RARELY do they keep rejecting the choices because it ties up too much of the legislature's time (which is sometimes valuable). Do not gloss over the powers of the office by saying that they're kept in check by the other branches of government.

the lifeguard wrote:

c'mon. arent there any other pictures of General George? ive seen that same one everywhere already. gotta run. i need to research John McCain. im trying to figure out which wars he has won if reference to some people referring to him knowing how to win wars.

General McLellan and President Lincoln discussing Union battle strategy. The Union forever. hurrah boys hurrah, out with the traitors, up with the stars.

good job Ghost,I wiki'd him last night.


George Brinton McClellan (December 3, 1826 – October 29, 1885) was a major general during the American Civil War. He organized the famous Army of the Potomac and served briefly (November 1861 to March 1862) as the general-in-chief of the Union Army. Early in the war, McClellan played an important role in raising a well-trained and organized army for the Union. However, although McClellan was meticulous in his planning and preparations, these attributes may have hampered his ability to challenge aggressive opponents in a fast-moving battlefield environment. He chronically overestimated the strength of enemy units and was reluctant to apply principles of mass, frequently leaving large portions of his army unengaged at decisive points.

McClellan's Peninsula Campaign in 1862 ended in failure, with retreats from attacks by General Robert E. Lee's smaller army and an unfulfilled plan to seize the Confederate capital of Richmond. His performance at the bloody Battle of Antietam blunted Lee's invasion of Maryland, but allowed Lee to eke out a precarious tactical draw and avoid destruction, despite being outnumbered. As a result, McClellan's leadership skills during battles were questioned by U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, who eventually removed him from command, first as general-in-chief, then from the Army of the Potomac. Lincoln was famously quoted as saying, "If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time." Despite this, he was the most popular of that army's commanders with its soldiers, who felt that he had their morale and well-being as paramount concerns.

General McClellan also failed to maintain the trust of Lincoln, and proved to be frustratingly insubordinate to the commander-in-chief. After he was relieved of command, McClellan became the unsuccessful Democratic nominee opposing Lincoln in the 1864 presidential election. His party had an anti-war platform, promising to end the war and negotiate with the Confederacy, which McClellan was forced to repudiate, damaging the effectiveness of his campaign. He served as the 24th Governor of New Jersey from 1878 to 1881. He eventually became a writer, defending his actions during the Peninsula Campaign and the Civil War.

Although the majority of modern historians assess McClellan poorly as a battlefield general, a small but vocal faction of historians maintain that McClellan was indeed a highly capable commander, but his reputation suffered unfairly at the hands of pro-Lincoln partisans who needed a scapegoat for the Union's setbacks. Thus, his legacy defies easy categorization. After the war, Ulysses S. Grant was asked to evaluate McClellan as a general. He replied, "McClellan is to me one of the mysteries of the war."

Great job Franchise. General McLellan definitely blew it at Antietam. Antietam was by many acccounts the bloodiest battle of the Civil War, and as your ariticle stated, could have crippled General Lee's forces, but allowed him an escape, albeit w many casualties.

Interesting fact about Antietam is that Colonel Robert Shaw, at least from what I understand, had his "life altering" experience there. He "turtled" to avoid being killed, and from then on became a courageous commander, who lead the First all black regiment, the 54th Massachussetts, into fighting shape, and a mission that was one of the boldest, yet bloodiest of the war, at Fort Wagner. . The Brilliant movie, Glory, describes all this in detail.

DavidDeacon wrote:

eagleftw wrote: Who would have thought that the balance of powers would make it so the President is just another desk job with different duties. He's the fall guy. He'll automatically be blamed for someone else's mishaps unless the media is all over it first. In turn he gets to have his finger on that "nucular" button. So... you're saying that being given the power to nuke is a consolation prize for being under intense scrutiny? Anyway, let me put my political scientist hat on and take away the veil of your gross generalizations on the powers of the executive branch. Certainly, the Constitution outlines the checks and balances of power, but you're putting forth an incredibly weak argument. The President has a lot of implicit power: as a diplomat and a face of the nation. The President is supposed to represent our strengths to the world and to the people at home and this last one has been holding the country hostage to the inadequacies of his regime and showing nearly all of our negative traits: unchecked aggression, stupidity and ignorance, blind faith, rampant nationalism, gross dishonesty, incomparable clumsiness, and a pinch of fascist tendencies. The President has the power to make appointments to very powerful offices: The Supreme Court and his own cabinet. Even though Congress must approve the appointments, RARELY do they keep rejecting the choices because it ties up too much of the legislature's time (which is sometimes valuable). Do not gloss over the powers of the office by saying that they're kept in check by the other branches of government.

Oh shit! You're right! I'm voting for Obama now so that we can watch him gather all of the leaders of our enemies and talk out our problems like good little children.

GrayGhost wrote:

Great job Franchise. General McLellan definitely blew it at Antietam. Antietam was by many acccounts the bloodiest battle of the Civil War, and as your ariticle stated, could have crippled General Lee's forces, but allowed him an escape, albeit w many casualties. Interesting fact about Antietam is that Colonel Robert Shaw, at least from what I understand, had his "life altering" experience there. He "turtled" to avoid being killed, and from then on became a courageous commander, who lead the First all black regiment, the 54th Massachussetts, into fighting shape, and a mission that was one of the boldest, yet bloodiest of the war, at Fort Wagner. . The Brilliant movie, Glory, describes all this in detail.

What was the war like GG? Always great to have first hand accounts.

eagleftw wrote:

Oh shit! You're right! I'm voting for Obama now so that we can watch him gather all of the leaders of our enemies and talk out our problems like good little children.

hey if you like the alternative so damn much then march your ass down to the recruitment office and enlist. fodder.

The best I can figure we have no real choices. If we do with McCain than what we have is a complete total fossil of a leader who has not progressive ideas. I don't deny that of all the candidates I Sarah to be the most normal of the bunch.

Even though I come from a Christian background I am uncomfortable with some of her positions on social issues. This, is because I don't feel that our nation is ready to deal with the social implications of a leader who is not easily manipulated to fully get behind the idea that we need to have a return to morality.

While the slop that old on McCain's competition is peddling is an attractive alternative it does not solve any real problems. The slogan of we need change is appealing but in order for change to be in action it is required that the American people take an actor role in demanding change.

This part of our current situation is that the average American is intimidated by the governmental system. If we as the nation demanded the return of complete democracy than we would see changes.

As a taxpayer do you agree with how you dollars are being spent? If you don't do you really think that you were heard if you filed a complaint? If you answered not all that much then your typical of the American public. You want change but not enough to demand it.

If I were to propose to run for any sort of political office, I would set up the system so that individuals are aware on where the money they put into taxes goes.

I'm not necessarily in favor of moving away from presidential elections every four years, but I would abolish the term limits of our president. If they are successfully navigating the job it is ineffective to limit their term.

I think we've reached the point where the majority of the nation in feels powerless. We don't have people who truly feel like what they think matters. And right now that is for the most part the truth.

How can we have a system where the majority of leaders are completely out of ideas as far as how the middle and lower class lives that we only hear lip service when we inquire as to the fate of the people who are struggling to pursue the quote American dream?

I admit that I don't have all the answers, but when the ability to run for office is decided by the thickness of your wallet how can that be a true democracy?

The financial crisis could have been avoided if we as a nation was not under the misguided lie that financial success is the be all of human existence. We got greedy as a nation. The greedy lead to room being made for people who could not pay their bills being over extended credit. When you want to blame someone for the current economic crisis, blame yourself for not being more active in revolutionize a broken system.