[UWDstaff]

Confirmed Matches

*A Big Over The Top Rope Battle Royal

*The Sickness Vs. Aaron Morrison

*Logan X Vs. Aj Cruise

*Lukas Sharp Makes His U.W.D. Debut.

More Matches to announced soon!

Also that night in action you will see: Drew Sensation, Griffin, Redeemer, Eric Perice, Sullfly, Twig, Danny Vengeance, P40, Goregod, Joey Rockstar, Dave Depalo, Ace and More!!!!

There is a Bar on the floor where the Event is taking place so you don't have to miss a thing. There will also be Burgers, Dogs, and snacks available...

Don't Miss Out!

Tickets Are On Sale Now!

http://www.ultimatewrestlingdynasty.com

Card is subject to change.

[Michael_R_Giusti]

I thought we agreed, $10-12 is too much money for this product!

[UWDstaff]

Michael_R_Giusti wrote:

I thought we agreed, $10-12 is too much money for this product!

The Fans Pay It.

[rightytighty]

Do they regret it?

[OnceXtremeAlwaysXtreme]

Lukas Sharp is on the card ? give these guys some credit because they had Franie, Idol & now Sharp. All very talented wrestlers !

[EricYoungFan]

yes, they regret it...

[UWDstaff]

i wouldnt say they regret it, we always draw fairly big for a small local indy.

our lowest drawing to date was 121 paid.

highest being over 200.

[Captain Howdy]

I think what Ms. Young was implying was she is a wrestling fan who saw one of your shows, and regretted going, thus the statement "yes, fans do regret it."

[Paully54]

You draw 200 fans?

Or your "workers" bring 200 fans?

[aemfreak]

Paully54 wrote:

You draw 200 fans? Or your "workers" bring 200 fans?

why does it matter..weather workers bring in fans..or fans come from word of mouth. the uwd shows are still drawing fans.

but yes some workers bring in friends and familys..but isnt that true for any worker on the independent scene?

and yes we get alot of fans from flyers and other forms of advertisement also more so then from friends and family.

[Captain Howdy]

aemfreak wrote:

and yes we get alot of fans from flyers and other forms of advertisement also more so then from friends and family.

Sure you do.

[enforcer]

aemfreak wrote:

and yes we get alot of fans from flyers and other forms of advertisement also more so then from friends and family.

Dude, just because you guys decided to actually take some wrestling lessons doesn't mean you've gone and hit the big time.

[OnceXtremeAlwaysXtreme]

Hey these guys are training, & have been trained also they keep brining in over 100 people each show give them some credit. Some promotion dont get nearly 200 each show. They are doing soemthing right whether its fans, wrestlers, family or friends they are drawing people to their shows also they have guys like Frankie, Idol & Sharp wrestling on their shows !

UWD great job & keep up the good work! perhaps soon ill be able to attend one of your shows !

[gaulin]

Not sure how many fans are random or friends but its a good mix I think.UWD is very aware they havent hit the big time and dont have big heads.Its going good and we would like to bring in new fans.So my advice would be check out a show and come on here and say what you liked or didnt like.Also if $10-$12 bucks for a night out will break the bank I hear there are 2 fairs booked so far for 2008 and UWD will be included with the price of a fair ticket.

[Paully54]

You should not be doing shows until you are fully trained. Starting your own promotion for partially trained wrestlers is not right for you or the business.

[Michael_R_Giusti]

Paully54 wrote:

You should not be doing shows until you are fully trained. Starting your own promotion for partially trained wrestlers is not right for you or the business.

I second that motion. See my previous long response in another UWD thread, UWD guys.

[gaulin]

depends on what your definition on fully trained is.If your definition of fully trained is being trained enough to know a good assortment of moves along with a decent understanding of ring psycology then yes id say uwd guys are fully trained to wrestle a legit match.If your definition is knowing everything about pro wrestling then NOBODY that wrestles the indy scene or big time is fully trained because wrestling is an ongoing learning process.With that being said with all due respect im still not sure how people who have never seen a UWD show or have been to or our training
sessions really know for sure where we are at.Also Uwd isnt hurting the business of pro wrestling but if a few fans feel that way then so be it.I work at c&s and dont consider myself part of "the buisiness" since wrestling dont pay my bills.Its a hobby and a passion as it is for most workers out there.When you get a contract then your part of the business.

[Michael_R_Giusti]

gaulin wrote:

depends on what your definition on fully trained is.If your definition of fully trained is being trained enough to know a good assortment of moves along with a decent understanding of ring psycology then yes id say uwd guys are fully trained to wrestle a legit match.If your definition is knowing everything about pro wrestling then NOBODY that wrestles the indy scene or big time is fully trained because wrestling is an ongoing learning process.With that being said with all due respect im still not sure how people who have never seen a UWD show or have been to or our training sessions really know for sure where we are at.Also Uwd isnt hurting the business of pro wrestling but if a few fans feel that way then so be it.I work at c&s and dont consider myself part of "the buisiness" since wrestling dont pay my bills.Its a hobby and a passion as it is for most workers out there.When you get a contract then your part of the business.

This is a reply for you, Gaulin, and the backyard/untrained UWD guys.

Reduced to its minimum, "trained" means you are safe with the physical aspect and know psychology. If you're dwelling on the definition of the word, you're missing the point. If you're really going to piddle on the word, maybe we should focus on the word "professional."

Err but actually... it was for UWD that your trainer (Aaron Morrison I think?) said you guys aren't 100% yet, right? Or was that another thread?

Anyhow, I don't think a single person came in defining "trained" as knowing everything. This is what we call a straw man argument.

I don't know what "C&S" is. I assume it's your day job. I myself work at FC. But I digress-- if you are involved with shows, YES, you are involved with the business. You're coming on here basically saying, "I have sex with guys once in a while. But I'm not gay."

By your definition, contracted guys (i.e. WWE) are the only wrestlers. Apparently the thousands of independent guys don't count and there is only one wrestling promotion. Ehh this is too existential. Moving on...

As for the "You can't judge it till you see it in person" defense: Uhhhm... YouTube??? You guys have posted videos on here, Hello! McFly! Not only that, but just taking a look at the website, it's pretty evident. I know I'm kind of jibing you here, but seriously, gear is pretty crucial; if I recall, the roster basically looks like a Hot Topic convention. Sure that's cool you had a couple of guys in singlets. This discussion isn't really aimed at them. If you don't know where to start looking, well, start with google. Otherwise, www.singlets.com or www.highspots.com.

Respect is huge in this business, or at least it is supposed to be. You make a reply that is arguing what people are telling you... "Nuh-uh, we're good!" Well ask yourself how respectful is that? Respect means shutting up, listening, and learning. Don't argue with us. The sooner you get over yourself, the sooner you can grow.

Hey, keep running-- just bill yourselves as Underground or Backyard or something, instead of Professional. Because if you call yourselves pro, you ARE "ruining the business" for lack of a better phrase. You're charging French bottled mineral water prices for mirky brown tap.

[GrayGhost]

Again, well, didn't Aaron Morrison come on here himself the last time this started end explain things? He's a well respected trainer and wrestler, and you would figure that if the talent wasn't ready, he'd not put shows on for a live crowd, and would just continue doing practices. Maybe Im looking at in too simplistic a view?

[bluedevil25]

well if most of them are not backyarders why are they not booked else where

[gaulin]

Giusti Im not sure why you feel the need to come on here and go off on us.If your from boston and are a promoter im surprised you dont know who aaron morrison is as you refered to him as our trainer.Simply dont buy a ticket or ignore the post about our shows if we offend you that much.We have our own fans who pay to see us and not ruining anyones buisiness.In other words were doing our own thing.
As for other bookings 4 of the UWD roster members from what im told will be wrestling the wcwa show in a tag match and were also open to other bookings if a promoter wants to give some of us a shot.Let 2 of our guys go one on one to open a show.Im sure it would cost little to none.Id personally do it for free and then when people actually see us in action they can make their decisions.

[Michael_R_Giusti]

gaulin wrote:

Giusti Im not sure why you feel the need to come on here and go off on us.If your from boston and are a promoter im surprised you dont know who aaron morrison is as you refered to him as our trainer.Simply dont buy a ticket or ignore the post about our shows if we offend you that much.We have our own fans who pay to see us and not ruining anyones buisiness.In other words were doing our own thing. As for other bookings 4 of the UWD roster members from what im told will be wrestling the wcwa show in a tag match and were also open to other bookings if a promoter wants to give some of us a shot.Let 2 of our guys go one on one to open a show.Im sure it would cost little to none.Id personally do it for free and then when people actually see us in action they can make their decisions.

Lin, it's a message board. That's what you're supposed to do.

Nope, I don't believe I've ever met the guy. You do realize how many different cliques and circles there are in new england, right? I'll be the first to admit my memory is terrible. But I'm pretty sure there was a thread like 2 weeks ago where he chimed in about all this hullabaloo. Ehh someone else can go dig up the link.

Anyhow, I feel like I'm starting to repeat myself. You're not listening. I am not vilifying you and trying to burn you at the stake here. Sorry but the "ruining the business" is just a fall back phrase. I mean c'mon. Please tell me you DO understand what I mean by the metaphor: "You're charging French bottled mineral water prices for mirky brown tap."

From where I sit, you are essentially trying to say that because you have a following, you guys are the bee knees. But it's actually irrelevant. The product you put out there for public consumption isn't helping the market.

What I'm trying to argue out of you is the whole attitude.

Example of the WRONG attitude: "We are good enough and people pay us so eat it!"

Example of the RIGHT attitude: "We're also open to other bookings if a promoter wants to give some of us a shot. Let 2 of our guys go one on one to open a show"

That is your quote! That's the attitude you guys should have. I fully support that. Experience is one of the best ways to grow, undoubtedly.

Please don't think I'm flaming you because I'm bored at work. I'm telling you, dude. I've been where you are. No one likes cocky kids with attitude. Like it or not, the pro wrestling scene is very social. You want to make friends, not be the renegade!

I am part of NCW, and we are all about developing young talent. Hell, it's almost our niche. Looking back, we take in "new graduates" all the time, from pretty much any circle-- though we need a standard, baseline level of work. And we give them story lines.

Rob Impact is a good example. He started from scratch at Slamtech and got involved with us when he 'graduate.' And he's had fueds, various gimmick matches, sold merchandise, and got the chance to put on a show at the school he works at. Rob is a great guy and I have good things to say about him (except that he retired).

Most recently, take for example Shaya Shabo. He went to Slamtech and is pretty new. And I would 100% vouch for him, nothing but good things to say. He has worked a couple of NCW shows and is a nice guy in the locker room. These are the kinda guys I for one like seeing.

The point is, jJust keep a good head and heart about it, eh? If you're hungry, we'll do our best to feed you.

[gaulin]

Michael_R_Giusti wrote:

gaulin wrote: depends on what your definition on fully trained is.If your definition of fully trained is being trained enough to know a good assortment of moves along with a decent understanding of ring psycology then yes id say uwd guys are fully trained to wrestle a legit match.If your definition is knowing everything about pro wrestling then NOBODY that wrestles the indy scene or big time is fully trained because wrestling is an ongoing learning process.With that being said with all due respect im still not sure how people who have never seen a UWD show or have been to or our training sessions really know for sure where we are at.Also Uwd isnt hurting the business of pro wrestling but if a few fans feel that way then so be it.I work at c&s and dont consider myself part of "the buisiness" since wrestling dont pay my bills.Its a hobby and a passion as it is for most workers out there.When you get a contract then your part of the business. This is a reply for you, Gaulin, and the backyard/untrained UWD guys. Reduced to its minimum, "trained" means you are safe with the physical aspect and know psychology. If you're dwelling on the definition of the word, you're missing the point. If you're really going to piddle on the word, maybe we should focus on the word "professional." Err but actually... it was for UWD that your trainer (Aaron Morrison I think?) said you guys aren't 100% yet, right? Or was that another thread? Anyhow, I don't think a single person came in defining "trained" as knowing everything. This is what we call a straw man argument. I don't know what "C&S" is. I assume it's your day job. I myself work at FC. But I digress-- if you are involved with shows, YES, you are involved with the business. You're coming on here basically saying, "I have sex with guys once in a while. But I'm not gay." By your definition, contracted guys (i.e. WWE) are the only wrestlers. Apparently the thousands of independent guys don't count and there is only one wrestling promotion. Ehh this is too existential. Moving on... As for the "You can't judge it till you see it in person" defense: Uhhhm... YouTube??? You guys have posted videos on here, Hello! McFly! Not only that, but just taking a look at the website, it's pretty evident. I know I'm kind of jibing you here, but seriously, gear is pretty crucial; if I recall, the roster basically looks like a Hot Topic convention. Sure that's cool you had a couple of guys in singlets. This discussion isn't really aimed at them. If you don't know where to start looking, well, start with google. Otherwise, www.singlets.com or www.highspots.com. Respect is huge in this business, or at least it is supposed to be. You make a reply that is arguing what people are telling you... "Nuh-uh, we're good!" Well ask yourself how respectful is that? Respect means shutting up, listening, and learning. Don't argue with us. The sooner you get over yourself, the sooner you can grow. Hey, keep running-- just bill yourselves as Underground or Backyard or something, instead of Professional. Because if you call yourselves pro, you ARE "ruining the business" for lack of a better phrase. You're charging French bottled mineral water prices for mirky brown tap.

Basically sometimes stuff comes out wrong.I can come on here and say I appreciate every fan who pays there hard earned money to see us do what we love to do and are passionate about.I am just a wrestler for this group.I dont run it ,make ticket prices storylines ,money or anything.Just do what im told.I do feel like I have to stand up for my thoughts and not take anything like a bitch.10-12 bucks for a ticket might be a lot of money compared to others but uwd is getting it."10 bucks pre sale gets tickets sold before the show date and 12 bucks at the door works-Its a marketing strategy that gets our workers and venue paid in advance and we dont have to play the worrying game to see if people show up" This money went to buying our new ring and a warehouse where we can go train anytime we want .As far as training where were exactly at is weve learned how to execute a large assortment of moves safely and now were learning how to put them together in different ways.Psycology has been thought and were still learning more on that.None of us have huge heads but apparently if people are coming back they enjoy the show or they would go elsewhere.The you tube videos are old.90% of the fed has gear now and they have a deadline to get it.Every show we put 110% of our hearts into and the 6 weeks between we learn more.People seem to like the atmosphere and we always have a hot crowed.Those are all facts.Like I said some of the guys and myself would be open to wrstle for other promotions if they were to give us a shot to open a show or something.

[gaulin]

also im hoping I dont come out harsh or arrogant because its not what im trying to pull off.accept my apologies if that is the case.
I do think uwd shows are worth 10 bucks.Cheaper then a movie and we give the fans a good time and are passionate and give it everything we have.

[aemfreak]

do these threads always have to turn into a flame war. were just promoting our shows if you think were doing things wrong. contact us personally. be mature about it, were all open to constructive critisim.

its just is there a need for you to repeat yourself over and over and over again? its tiresome.

thanks.